tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post5794391703873965652..comments2023-09-11T15:28:03.883+01:00Comments on All Talk and No Action: Bakri Eid, Durga Puja, Religions, Et CeteraAll Talk and No Actionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10241065789942589469noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-63882791889086484942012-09-16T22:47:49.167+01:002012-09-16T22:47:49.167+01:00I am a vegeterian and seriously I dont have any p...I am a vegeterian and seriously I dont have any problem with people who are non vegeterians. After all it is one's choice of food and it should not be given any name of religion . Man is omnivorous what we all know , so freedom of food should not be questioned. But I am not that convinced about people those who oppose animal sacrifice during festivals . In most of of them be it a hindu or muslim festival people love to have dishes which they like and in return they offer it to the god as a forgiver of their sins. What I think is that the matter of concern is not about the religious offerings rather our likingness espicially our food habits. Whenever we offer in the name of animal killings , it might be religious or non religious I dont know but at the end of it we love the meat that we sacrifice. Are we not consuming the meat that we offer ?? Yes.. So my question to fellow viewers is those who oppose to sacrifices are they concerned about the religious tradition or humanity , but if it is out of compassion for a life then they are promoting vegetarianism , which is obviously not our aim. I am confused that if the meat is edible then let it be a sacrifice . what are we against actually ??? Non Vegetarianism or humanity or religious rituals ??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-6302097955550797062009-12-12T19:25:37.153+00:002009-12-12T19:25:37.153+00:00@dhawal: Hi Dhawal, the concept of Karma and rebir...@dhawal: Hi Dhawal, the concept of Karma and rebirth is something which Hindus believed in...but other major religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc) in the world don't believe in this concept...so lets not get into that and lets talk with common things between us.<br /><br />Secondly, I don't blame you, since you just joined in, but I have told others, this debate started when someone talked about Non-veg food, religion should not be bought into this topic, even what I mentioned in my blog, was the custom and the reason why this Eid is celebrated, if you have access to Quran, it doesnot say you gotta be a non-vegetarian to be better Muslim, hence I posted an article about it to clear the misconception...<br /><br />And most importantly, the reason why this debate keeps on going is because, some people are just not ready to accept the fact (that Humans have been consuming non-veg since ages and living a healthy life and even today a majority of people living on this planet are non-vegetarians), they keep on arguing that human body is not capable of having meat, or killing plants if fine for food, but killing animals for food is bad and these kinda illogical reasoning...<br /><br />But again, as I have mentioned, no one if trying to tell anyone to start having meat, if you don't like it, don't do it, but don't force others to become veggies for stupid reasons...its a free world and god has given a mind for everyone to think and select what is right for them plus its very hard to believe that majority in this world would be wrong for so many centuries... <br /><br />Hence I stated in my blog, "MIND YOU BUSINESS and LET OTHERS MIND THEIRS"What's in a name?https://www.blogger.com/profile/05405152491836862904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-32725387779917291432009-12-12T12:07:27.996+00:002009-12-12T12:07:27.996+00:00Well, we all are currently suffering on this plane...Well, we all are currently suffering on this planet, simply because of our past karma. <br /><br />Your present karma maybe whatever is only going to get back to you, whether, good, bad, evil or whatever. <br /><br />If you kill animals, so will someone who is more powerful do onto you. Its been for a very long time, that I have given up being outspoken on this issue. <br /><br />Every action of ours, unless the one that deliberately involves Krishna is only sinning. This could even be just watching a movie. Every action that you do, takes closer to God or away from God. <br /><br />Every form of violence, takes you away from Krishna. I hope I am able to shed some light. May God bless you, all on this occassion of Saphala Ekadashi. <br /><br />I would request you to read this: <br />http://www.salagram.net/ekadasi-3.htm<br /><br />and enlighten yourself.Dhawal Shahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09800925476308452892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-9668701940199240802009-12-07T13:57:06.530+00:002009-12-07T13:57:06.530+00:00@alltalk...:Thank you for agreeing on two things, ...@alltalk...:Thank you for agreeing on two things, first for humans to survive they gotta kill either plants or animals and second every human has a mind of its own to select what is good and bad for them....so when you agree then why bother, about why people kill animals for food, its their choice...<br /><br />And suggestions for veggies, well as I have been telling (multiple times), plants and animals are both options for humans (for food), they can choose either or both, so if they are being cut down for survival (food) then its ok with me, as long as they are not being slammed for fun. <br /><br />And btw ur statement to ketan, again in different words, you are saying non-veggies are violent, not generous, but plz take into consideration that a majority of people living on this planet earth right now, including your friend Shoeb, :-) are non-vegetarians and do a lot of charitable cause and are generous, kind-hearted people and just to ring a bell, Hitler, Verappan were strict vegetarians...but were they good humans, NO...so a person's nature does not depend on the kind of food he/she has.What's in a name?https://www.blogger.com/profile/05405152491836862904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-15902939163350736702009-12-07T13:07:11.027+00:002009-12-07T13:07:11.027+00:00@WIAN - Dear Friend, I agree that either way, huma...@WIAN - Dear Friend, I agree that either way, humans have to kill to survive. Infact even while walking and breathing, we kill. However, as I said earlier, humans have been given a mind, to think. How you decide to survive is a matter of personal choice. But it does ultimately reflect on how generous you are as an individual and how much respect you have for "life". What I fail to understand is, how as human beings we cry for our loved ones if they are in pain. However, we do not extend this emotion to other living beings. Also, Karma is a whole chapter in itself. So maybe we can kee it for our offline discussion. Also, since you think killing plants is equivalent to killing animals, would you have any suggestions for Vegetarians?<br /><br />@Ketan - Thanks for stopping by. Personally, I do think how one treats a living being does show how one is as a person.All Talk and No Actionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10241065789942589469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-55067978113324350552009-12-07T06:14:52.086+00:002009-12-07T06:14:52.086+00:00@allthecrap:
your 1st comment:
killing on bakri-id...@allthecrap:<br />your 1st comment:<br />killing on bakri-id or at jeevdani mandir should be condemned.<br /><br />your 12th comment:<br />killing in the name of religion should not be done<br /><br />dude if u see, u r the one who is bringing the religion issue again and again, in my blog, I just tried to explain about what Bakri Eid is, but u r the one who in every comment of yours have been making a statement of religion...I never said u talking specifically of Muslims, I said (Muslims, Christians etc) and I also mentioned that we never kill any animal (unnecessarily) and offer it to God.<br /><br />And again as i told India bound, maybe you have given up, but if you wanna start this debate all over again, I am thereWhat's in a name?https://www.blogger.com/profile/05405152491836862904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-89885560578050645832009-12-07T03:10:09.970+00:002009-12-07T03:10:09.970+00:00@WIN Your telling other ppl to read ur blog and co...@WIN Your telling other ppl to read ur blog and comments properly but it doesn't seem that u read other ppls comment.. I never said muslims are bad..read my first comment, I am even talkin abt hindus ..or else as indiaunbound said we will have to keep on repeating the same stuff again and again..which I wont...and as IU said Grow UP!!<br /><br />@IU On a lighter note if we die early we will have less carbon print and can help in reducing the global warming :)<br /><br />regards<br />allthecrapAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-35587325411225917352009-12-06T21:03:22.684+00:002009-12-06T21:03:22.684+00:00I think we had a debate on this earlier...ya rub u...I think we had a debate on this earlier...ya rub ur eyes its me who is commenting....But if killing animals goes in bad karma according to Gita, It doesnot mean that that individual is BAD or Violent...K10 Kenihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04009375416131791200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-12311359166371441512009-12-06T17:15:29.377+00:002009-12-06T17:15:29.377+00:00@alltalk...: No offense, but your statement doesn&...@alltalk...: No offense, but your statement doesn't make sense yaar, a bad karma is a bad karma, there is no minimum or maximum in it...and just because plants don't move and bleed and they have not "fully evolved" they can be killed...its like saying, I can kick a pregnant lady in her tummy and if the foetus in her dies, I can say it was not fully evolved, so its a minor "Bad Karma"...<br /><br />anyways I know there is no end to this debate and I am not here to convince anyone to eat non-veg....all I am saying (and repeating again) is its free world everyone has the right to choose his/her food (legal), so no one should point fingers at others...just because we don't like it... <br /><br />So if someone doesn't like a particular meal don't eat it, no one is forcing you for that, but if you say god wanted us to eat plants or human body is not meant for meat eating or killing plants for food is ok but killing animals is bad, then the debate will start always atleast from my end...What's in a name?https://www.blogger.com/profile/05405152491836862904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-74194469881017596902009-12-06T15:37:34.643+00:002009-12-06T15:37:34.643+00:00@What's in a name - Dear Friend, as already ex...@What's in a name - Dear Friend, as already explained, humans need to survive. For survival the most non violent means should be used. Hence, the plants. Infact, breathing causes lots of insects to die too. However, one needs to breathe, so this is unavoidable.<br /><br />Plants are at the very initial stages of evolution. Whereas animals have progressed and hence can move and do bleed. Hence, it is advised that plants should be had for survival since it involves minimum "bad karma".<br /><br />About making non-veggies feel guilty, I think everyone of us is blessed with a conscience and somewhere we all know what is right and wrong. Now it's alright if some of us continue to hurt living beings to satisfy ourselves.<br />But I would say what my fave superhero says - "With great power comes great responsibility" :)All Talk and No Actionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10241065789942589469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-49607422579435607722009-12-05T16:41:10.106+00:002009-12-05T16:41:10.106+00:00@alltalkandnoaction: Mukta Mukta Mukta...if your ...@alltalkandnoaction: Mukta Mukta Mukta...if your point was not to kill to satisfy one's own pangs....then as i said before even veggies kill plants (which has life in it) to satisfy their hunger...isn't that violent then???<br /><br />Just because plants don't have senses like animals, they can't walk and talk, that means they can be killed, where is the logic there???<br /><br />If veggies kill plants for food that is ok, but if non-veggies kill animals for food that is violent...don't you think you guys are being partial here...huh???<br /><br />So again, let me repeat myself, people have an option of eating anything (lawful) and veggies shouldn't make us (non-veggies) feel guilty by saying "you people are violent, you kill animals just for food" or "non-veg food has no benefits" because both statements are so wrong and partial.<br /><br />:-)What's in a name?https://www.blogger.com/profile/05405152491836862904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-531132425143126492009-12-05T13:13:15.932+00:002009-12-05T13:13:15.932+00:00@ALL the particiants - Thank you for an enlighteni...@ALL the particiants - Thank you for an enlightening debate and course on healthy eating and living.<br /><br />The whole point of the post was - not to kill, whether in the name of religion or to satisfy one's own pangs.<br /><br />If situation demands that one turn into a non-veggie, it cannot be helped. Yet, if one has an option to lead a lesser violent life, going veg is the best option.<br /><br />But again, blaming particular communities is not right too and no particular religion can/should be singled out in this case since all of them kill in one way or the other.All Talk and No Actionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10241065789942589469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-43440066389616145802009-12-04T10:32:01.639+00:002009-12-04T10:32:01.639+00:00@india bound: arre but the link you posted about J...@india bound: arre but the link you posted about Japanese people say they live longer because of their diet of vegetables and fish...not just vegetables...i guess instead of debating with me, you better watch the video on youtube called, "Is non-vegetarian food prohibited or permitted" with an open mind...it proves that veg food is good, but even non-veg is not bad for health as you are trying to say...and maybe you give up...but whenever you want to start again, I am there dude...What's in a name?https://www.blogger.com/profile/05405152491836862904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-18241053867651280352009-12-04T10:01:24.396+00:002009-12-04T10:01:24.396+00:00@ Whats in a name?
The links I posted prove that ...@ Whats in a name?<br /><br />The links I posted prove that vegetarians live longer and non vegetarians are at larger risk of heart diseases and cancer compared to vegetarians.<br /><br />You need to grow beyond your school days and think logically.<br /><br />This is hopefully my last reply. No point in stating the same thing over and over again.india unboundhttp://indiaunbound.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-47330601248655063102009-12-04T09:03:38.323+00:002009-12-04T09:03:38.323+00:00@indiabound: oh good u agree to atleast one point...@indiabound: oh good u agree to atleast one point of mine, "but some ignorant people, who don't think logically, get into this debate..." though you still doing it...lol<br /><br />The first two links that you have mentioned, talks about excessive meat eating, and if you read my blog/comments here, even I have mention it that excess of anything is bad...<br /><br />The third link you mentioned about Japanese people mentions about them living on vegetables and sea food...which again i had said, white meat has no side effect, and is infact good for health...however you were the one who had mentioned "You would never hear a doctor advising any patient that please avoid pulses, fruits, leafy vegetables and increase intake of meat, eggs, fish, etc."<br /><br />the last link about global warming again says about reduced consumption of meat, but does not talk about stopping it all together...because I don't know if you know about this, but even meat (red/white) contains vital ingredients which are beneficial to human body, if consumed in proper quantity<br /><br />And most importantly,<br />If you read my blog post, I did mention that a Muslim can be a very good Muslim even by being a very strict vegetarian (my uncle being an example of it), so eating non-veg has got nothing to do with religion ... what pisses me the most is when most veggies (read allthecrap) tend to make us non-veggies (Muslims, Christians etc) guilty by saying you kill animals for food...my only question is, so don't you kill plants, which again has life in them, for food...just because plants don't have sense like us and animals, that means we can kill them for food, whereas animals with senses like us should not be killed....where is the logic in it???<br /><br />and people (read indiabound) who says non-veg food doesnot give benefits to human body and humans should not consume it, either didn't go to school or didn't pay attention in school, coz science does say meat also has its own benefits.What's in a name?https://www.blogger.com/profile/05405152491836862904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-30566915354850029272009-12-04T08:01:15.336+00:002009-12-04T08:01:15.336+00:00@ All the Crap
I agree to you that people should ...@ All the Crap<br /><br />I agree to you that people should own up their act instead of doing it in name of religion. However, there is nothing wrong in promoting a good practice if it benefits all. Vegetarianism would help in reducing global warming.<br /><br />@ Whats in a name?<br /><br />"but some ignorant people, who don't think logically, get into this debate..." This gem made my day :D<br /><br />This should help you think logically:<br /><br />http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Vegetarians-live-longer-says-study<br /><br />http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/healthday/071211/high-meat-consumption-linked-to-heightened-cancer-risk.htm<br /><br />The planet's oldest people (Okinawans in Japan)actually consume very less or negligible non veg food (now you would know this)<br /><br />http://www.okinawaprogram.com/news/20060401_fitness.html<br /><br /><br />It is not about religion. My religion does not forbid non veg food but I still dont eat. There are many Muslims, Christians who are vegetarians and PETA, I believe is largely dominated by Christians and doing a great job in promoting vegetarianism.<br /><br />A very good article in todays HT by a Nobel prize winner on how meat eaters contribute to global warming http://www.hindustantimes.com/Cold-necessary-cuts/H1-Article1-482661.aspxindia unboundhttp://indiaunbound.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-40141739433087828672009-12-04T06:43:38.746+00:002009-12-04T06:43:38.746+00:00@allthecrap: Thats exactly, what I have been tryin...@allthecrap: Thats exactly, what I have been trying to say...MINDING YOUR OWN BUSINESS...choice of food depends on your hunger not on religion...but also let me say religions restriction are to be considered - as in what to eat and what not to eat...e.g., Jains are not allowed to eat certain things like roots, meats etc, Muslims are not allowed to eat pork etc...so there will be religious rules/laws involved to a certain degree, but people from one community should not poke a nose for no apparent reason into others ... feel free to follow your stuff, the debate starts when certain people (without considering the majority and without taking into fact the scientific and logical aspects) start believing what I am doing is good and what others do is bad... :-)What's in a name?https://www.blogger.com/profile/05405152491836862904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-52006129573732774102009-12-04T06:25:37.360+00:002009-12-04T06:25:37.360+00:00I don't know where this debate is heading..but...I don't know where this debate is heading..but All I would like to add to this discussion is that I don't have problem with ppl eating non-veg food. Its there will..whatever they wanna do..But don't do in the name of religion..just own up to it.<br /><br />regards<br />allthecrapAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-68602475244566545102009-12-04T05:47:40.482+00:002009-12-04T05:47:40.482+00:00@india bound: dude you are so ignorant, "do ...@india bound: dude you are so ignorant, "do u even know what you are talking??? digestive systems of human not for non-veg food" ... there are billions (not millions) of people around the world who eat non-veg on a daily basis and...infact Japanese people are said to live longer in the world and they mostly eat sea food (do u know that?)...people living in north pole survive only on seal and other kind of animals...regarding eating raw meat...well when one can cook and eat it, then why eat raw, but for your info, when in 1972 Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 crashed into Andes and some of its passengers died, other remaining passengers survived in the Andes for more than 2 months by eating raw flesh from the dead bodies of other passengers, plus Eskimos still eat raw blood and liver of seals after hunting, so do some African tribes...so my point is if required raw meat can also be digested but when we have the arrangement for cooking why eat raw.<br /><br />Hence i mentioned in my blog "MIND YOUR BUSINESS" because my point for humans to survive they have to kill plants and animals or else, I don't see any other source of living on this planet...so god has given us the option of having either plants or animals or both...but some ignorant people, who don't think logically, get into this debate...What's in a name?https://www.blogger.com/profile/05405152491836862904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-42054374788641640072009-12-04T05:22:09.457+00:002009-12-04T05:22:09.457+00:00@ Whats in a name ?
Does the digestive system of ...@ Whats in a name ?<br /><br />Does the digestive system of humans comprise of only teeth?<br /><br />Besides humans can digest raw fruits & vegetables. The same cannot be done with any non veg food. <br /><br />A tiger or a lion eats just non veg food whereas an elephant just veg.<br /><br />Human beings can lead a healthy life just by depending on veg food. But they cannot lead a healthy life only by eating non veg food (unlike carnivores like a tiger or lion). If we were supposed to eat both veg & non veg food, no question would arise of "excess" non veg food just as it does not arise in case of a tiger or lion.india unboundhttp://indiaunbound.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-67772761259440233682009-12-03T19:42:13.425+00:002009-12-03T19:42:13.425+00:00@india unbound: "human body is not meant for ...@india unbound: "human body is not meant for non veg food" a very wrong statement....plz read my first comment or lemme repeat it here (taking you back to school now) human species is the only living thing on this planet which has got omnivorous teeth which means we can have both plants and animals, whereas animals like cattles have herbivorous teeth so they only eat grass and wild cats have carnivorous teeth, so we never see a lion, tiger eating anything but meat — so that statement of yours is very wrong<br /><br />@all veggies: oh forgot to add one more thing, if killing is bad, m sure you guys are aware even plants have life and if you do small google search on "do plants feel pain" you will get lots of results which might be an eye-opener...so think logically, if you don't wanna starve we have to have either plants or animals or both to survive....What's in a name?https://www.blogger.com/profile/05405152491836862904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-64186425826401557282009-12-03T18:34:21.534+00:002009-12-03T18:34:21.534+00:00@ ATANA
I agree with most of your points.
@ Arjun...@ ATANA<br />I agree with most of your points.<br /><br />@ Arjun<br /><br />Non veg food is not at all imperative to avoid frostbite & hypothermia. One can do without it.<br /><br />@ Whats in a name?<br /><br />I think you missed my point. I never meant that no veg food can be harmful. All I meant was that human body is not meant for non veg food otherwise one could lead a healthy life even if he just eats non veg. Whereas one can survive on an all vegetarian diet for life.<br /><br />No one can force anything anyone but I am sure you would have come across research which shows that non vegetarianism contributes to global warming in a big way. Vegetarianism makes sense ecologically too.india unboundhttp://indiaunbound.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-53509798349404515682009-12-03T17:45:40.446+00:002009-12-03T17:45:40.446+00:00@india unbound: Excess of anything is bad, my poin...@india unbound: Excess of anything is bad, my point is not to just have meat or something, but to keep the options open...and yes doctors do advise not to eat meat only when its eaten in excess or regular basis ... the same way, doctors advise veggies people not to eat ghee, sugar, peanuts etc as these things also increase cholesterol and btw if you are not aware pregnant women are actually advised to eat eggs for good health and I have never heard of any long-term sickness happening because of fish or chicken (infact white meat is good for health)...<br /><br />@Arjuna: totally agree with you.<br /><br />@All talk and no action: First, why do u always ask question, which are too long too type...%$#@^<br /><br />Second, if you read my article, the act of Prophet Ibrahim is repeated ... the animal is bought in the house almost like a week before (some people bring it a year before), is cared for nurtured, so that you get attached to it, and then feel what Prophet Ibrahim felt when he tried to sacrifice his son, but god replaced it with a sheep. So we Muslims commemorate this superior act of sacrifice.<br /><br />And also, no one can decide what other wants to eat, rite? If one can afford it, has no problems with it, then why bother...for e.g., Chinese like to eat snake, pigs and all kinda crap, I don't like, but these people love it, can afford it, so who am I to question them about their food habits....rite?What's in a name?https://www.blogger.com/profile/05405152491836862904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-19402572262102467192009-12-03T16:24:38.354+00:002009-12-03T16:24:38.354+00:00@allthecrap - All True. Even I do not condone kill...@allthecrap - All True. Even I do not condone killings in the name of religion, whichever religion be it.<br /><br />@What's in a name - Yes, the point of the post was not to bring down any articular religion, but all religions that kill in the name of God. About Deonar, yes, I am aware of that too :)<br /><br />Also, just a question - why do show our gratitude to God by killing? That's the main point of the post. Why can't we share fruits, vegetables, kheer, and any other rich food made at home, with the less fortunate? Why kill a helpless animal to feed a human and please a God?<br /><br />If an Eskimo were to eat Fish or Dolphin, I wouldn't hold it against him. But when people in cities have "non-violent" means of feeding themselves available, what explains their cruelty?<br /><br />@India Unbound & ARJuna - Both veg & non-veg food have their inherent strengths and nutrients.<br />The point of the post is - why kill to satisfy a base need? Why is our love for blood more than our understanding of animal suffering?All Talk and No Actionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10241065789942589469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-550144415019268313.post-80371519508841439442009-12-03T15:39:24.848+00:002009-12-03T15:39:24.848+00:00@India Unbound
The reason that doctors advise us t...@India Unbound<br />The reason that doctors advise us to avoid non veg foods is not because the non veg food itself causes health problems, the health problems like cholestrol, cardiac problems are a result of modern lifestyle, lack of exercise and large consumption of fats/oils through non veg. thus we cant blame only non veg for all the diseases. Remember God made us what we are (I am talking about eating habits), if people in the north do not consume meat and fats they will easily die of frostbite/hypothermia.ARJunahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521569264034779626noreply@blogger.com